Ok, interesting. Firebird east, I think they call it the GT track, or used to, is a pretty tight track, and dead flat. It'd be interesting to see what they set up on skid4, it would almost have to be pretty tight as well. I've never been on Firebird East, but I'd tend to bet it's dead flat too. I'll call a couple relatives, see if they still have friends and bondurant and see what it would run to get one of their tracks for the day. They've got a little track right up against the 10 that I really like.