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LSx engine family.
« on: August 26, 2009, 05:44:04 PM »
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GENERATION III - I recommend sticking with the Gen III engines due to the large production#s and the resulting cost effectiveness.
LS1 - 5.7 (346 CI) - Between 305-350 hp and 335-375 ft·lb
1997-2004 Chevrolet Corvette C5, excluding Z06
1998-2002 Chevrolet Camaro Z28, SS
1998-2002 Pontiac Firebird Formula, Trans Am, Trans Am WS6
2004 Pontiac GTO
*97-98 Had Perimeter Bolt Valve Covers
LS6 - 5.7 (346 CI) - 385(01 Vette only)/405 hp and 385(01 only)/400 ft-lbs.
2001-2004 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
2004-2005 Cadillac CTS V-Series
*Basically the same as an LS1 but with better heads (243 head castings) a more aggressive cam, and LS6 intake manifold make up the power differences.
TRUCK ENGINES - STILL GENERATION III - 285-295 hp and 325-335 ft·lb
The truck engines are very much like the LS1/LS6 and are still classified as a Gen III engine. They are mainly iron with the exception of the LM4/L33, and as a result weigh approximately 80+ lbs. more. All the parts from the LS series can bolt on to these engines and is recommended for any swap as the accessories and intake manifold usually fit better from an F-body. The 4.8 and 5.3 can both be punched out to a 5.7 (346 Cubic Inches) simply with a bigger bore (the 5.3) or a bigger bore and the 5.3 crank (in the 4.8's case).
4.8 - LR4
5.3 - LM4, LM7, L33, L59
6.0 - LQ4, LQ9
LR4 - 270-295 hp and 285-305 ft·lb
*Iron Block
2003-present Chevrolet Express 2500-3500/GMC Savana 2500-3500
1999-2007 Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra
1999-2006 Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon
LM7 - 285-295 hp 325-335 ft·lb
*Most common 3rd gen LSx engine - Iron Block
2002-2005 Cadillac Escalade 2WD
2002-2006 Chevrolet Avalanche
2003-2007 Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana
1999-2007 Chevrolet Silverado 1500
1999-2007 GMC Sierra 1500
1999-2006 Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL
1999-2006 Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon
LM4 - Identical to the LM7 in power/torque
*Aluminum Block, limited production
2004 Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT
2004 GMC Envoy XL
2004 Chevrolet SSR
L33 - 310 hp - High Output version of the LM7
*Aluminum Block
2005-2007 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4WD
2005-2007 GMC Sierra 1500 4WD
L59 - Flex Fuel version of the LM7 (power/torque same)
2002-2007 Chevrolet Silverado 1500
2002-2006 Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon
2002-2006 Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL
2002-2007 GMC Sierra 1500
LQ4 - 6.0L (364 CI) - 300-325 hp / 360-370 ft·lb
*Iron Block
Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana
Chevrolet Silverado 2500 Pickup, 3500 Pickup, Crew Cab, and Chassis Cab/GMC Sierra 2500 HD Pickup and Crew Cab, C3, Denali, and 3500 Pickup and Chassis Cab, 1500HD Crew Cab
Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL Denali
Hummer H2 SUT
GMC Yukon Denali
LQ9 - 6.0L (364 CI) - 345hp / 380 ft·lb
*Iron Block
2002-2006 Cadillac Escalade
2002-2006 Cadillac Escalade EXT
2003-2006 Cadillac Escalade ESV
2003-2007 Chevrolet Silverado SS
2004-2005 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra Vortec HO Edition Only 2006-2007 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra VortecMAX Option
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GENERATION IV - Generation IV engines are very similar to Gen III and some parts can be interchanged. The Gen IV was produced with displacement on demand and variable valve timing in mind. Not all have these features, but they are available.
L76 - 360hp /385 ft-lbs. 6.0L (364 Cubic Inches)
2008 Pontiac G8
L98 - 362hp /391 ft-lbs. 6.0L (364 Cubic Inches)
2007-2008 Chevrolet Lumina SS
2007-2008 Chevrolet Caprice SS
L99 - 400hp /395 ft-lbs. 6.0L (364 Cubic Inches)
*Derived from the LS3 and with Displacement on Demand
2010 Chevrolet Camaro
LS2 - 6.0L (364 CI) - 400 hp/400 ft.-lbs.
2006-2007 Cadillac CTS-V
2005-2007 Chevrolet Corvette
2005-2006 Chevrolet SSR
2006-2008 Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
2004-2007 Holden Special Vehicles (all V8 models)
2005-2006 Pontiac GTO
2008-2010? Saab 9-7X Aero
2005-2006 Vauxhall Monaro VXR
LS3 - 6.2L (376 CI) - 430 hp / 424 ft.-lbs.
April 2008-present Holden Special Vehicles (all V8 models)
2008-present Chevrolet Corvette
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP
2010 Chevrolet Camaro
LS4 - 5.3L (325 CI) - 303 hp / 323 ft.-lbs.
2006-2008 Chevrolet Impala SS
2006-2007 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS
2005-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP
2008 Buick LaCrosse Super
*Aluminum FWD Block w/ LS6 Heads
LS7 - 7.0L (427 CI) - 505 hp / 470 ft.-lbs.
2006-2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2008 HSV W427
LS9 - 6.2L (376 CI) Supercharged - 638 hp / 604 ft.-lbs.
*Based on the LS3
2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1

TRUCK ENGINES - GENERATION IV
LY6 - 6.0 (364 CI) - Same as LQ4, but Gen IV.
*Variable Valve Timing
2007-present Chevrolet Silverado HD
2007-present GMC Sierra HD
2007-present Chevrolet Suburban 3/4 ton
2007-present GMC Yukon XL 3/4 ton
L76 - 6.0 (364 CI) - 367hp / 375 ft.-lbs.
*Basically the Gen IV replacement for the LQ9
*Variable Cam Phasing & Active Fuel Management
2007-present Chevrolet Suburban
2007-present Chevrolet Avalanche
2007-present Chevrolet Silverado
2007-present GMC Sierra
2007-present GMC Yukon XL
LFA - 6.0 (364 CI) - 332 hp / 367 ft.-lbs.
*Active Fuel Management
*Late-intake valve timing system
*Higher 10.8:1 compression ratio
2008-present Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid
2008-present GMC Yukon Hybrid
2009-present Cadillac Escalade Hybrid
2009-present Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid
2009-present GMC Sierra Hybrid
L92 - 6.2L (376 CI) - 380/403 hp and 403/415 ft.-lbs.
2007+ Cadillac Escalade
2008+ Chevrolet Tahoe
2007+ GMC Sierra Denali
2009+ Silverado 1500
2008+ Hummer H2
2007+ GMC Yukon Denali/Denali XL
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Quick summary of the major engines and their compression ratios and GM part #s:
LS1...346c.i. 5.7liter 10.19:1 25534322
LS6...346c.i. 5.7liter 10.46:1 12578104/12562190
LR4...293c.i. 4.8liter 9.47:1
LM4...325c.i 5.3liter 9.49:1
LM7...325c.i 5.3liter 9.49:1 12562201
L59...325c.i. 9.49:1
LQ4...364c.i. 6.0liter 9.41:1 12575147/12575148
LQ9...364c.i. 6.0liter 10.08:1 12499467

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 06:24:11 PM »
For those not in the 'know'.. all 5.3, 5.7 & 6.0 engine use the same crank & rods. The 4.8 & 5.3 share the same iron block & pistons.. the crank & rods are different in the 4.8. Also, a 4.8/5.3 block can safely be overbored to 5.7 spec & use the 5.3/5.7/6.0 crank, rods & 5.7 pistons to 'make' an iron block 5.7 from an iron block 4.8/5.3.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 07:05:25 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 09:14:07 AM »
Do any of you gents know of an aluminum 4.8 or 5.3 block? I've seen two advertised on the local craigslist but haven't heard back from e-mails to the sellers about what they came out of or casting numbers. First impression is that they're full of it, but thought I would double check as my V8 swap will be aluminum, and the aluminum 5.7 and 6.0 blocks are just too pricey for my budget.

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 09:31:24 AM »
Do any of you gents know of an aluminum 4.8 or 5.3 block? I've seen two advertised on the local craigslist but haven't heard back from e-mails to the sellers about what they came out of or casting numbers. First impression is that they're full of it, but thought I would double check as my V8 swap will be aluminum, and the aluminum 5.7 and 6.0 blocks are just too pricey for my budget.

The 5.3 LS4 was an an aluminum block. It came in the FWD cars.

There are also some 4.8 aluminum blocks, I'm not sure what models have them though.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 12:05:01 PM »
there are aluminum 5.3's that came in the later model trucks. idk about the 4.8

L33 block is the aluminum one.
 
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 01:40:43 PM »
Yeah I believe the aluminum blocks started showing up with the most recent truck redesign or a couple years before.  2005 or 2007 I don't know for sure.  They're definitely pricier when I've searched junkyard listings.

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 08:23:22 AM »
Do any of you gents know of an aluminum 4.8 or 5.3 block? I've seen two advertised on the local craigslist but haven't heard back from e-mails to the sellers about what they came out of or casting numbers. First impression is that they're full of it, but thought I would double check as my V8 swap will be aluminum, and the aluminum 5.7 and 6.0 blocks are just too pricey for my budget.

The 5.3 LS4 was an an aluminum block. It came in the FWD cars.

There are also some 4.8 aluminum blocks, I'm not sure what models have them though.


Yeah the aluminum blocks are all over the place escelades H3's vette's camaro' Not in 5.3 of course but hell yeah there all over and they are cheap.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 01:14:29 AM »
not out here they're not, lol. Out here an aluminum shortblock with less than 60K miles(all I've been able to find) is running $1K.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 12:20:03 PM »
not out here they're not, lol. Out here an aluminum shortblock with less than 60K miles(all I've been able to find) is running $1K.

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 do a search in the midwest. I did because i live in MN. but i found a bunch under $500 even. I paid $400 for mine it had 75xxx but even if i got one with 10xxx on it i would still do ATLEAST oil pump all bearings and rings to it. If it doesn't have a big ring ridge, you can do a dingle berry hone to give it a nice crosshash. Either way you go at it, when you get one take off the oil pan and start from there. open the oil pump up and take off the main cap furthest away from the oil pump.     But, you can buy a more expensive one and probably just chunk it right in.   good luck.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 12:27:25 PM »
Hey, by the way if anyone knows of someone doing a 4x4 blazer ls1 swap. have them send me a shout. I need a mod oil pan or something that will work. i think i have even less room because it has the 7.5" front diff. also anyone doing anything to a zr2? I wanna see what other Z's are doing. everywhere else i look its all mud.  Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 06:58:50 AM »
Been reading up and can't find anyone whose done it, but I thought you folks might be among the most open minded about the idea.

For my total design weight savings are taking priority #1, priority #2 is going to be getting what weight there will be down as low as possible in the chassis. For those reasons I have my mind very firmly set on an aluminum engine, the most prominent of which are V8s. Unfortunately for me, the price of aluminum gen1 SBC blocks or engines has rocketed. I can find none used, and the only new I can find are $4K full race blocks like the motown lite, and that's just not an option. I had originally been planning on an all aluminum high compression 302. Seeing as that's no longer possible, I'm thinking of building a de-stroked LS2. Aluminum LS2 blocks are going pretty cheap around here, and aluminum L92 heads are the most reasonable high performing heads I can find around(brand new GM racing heads are $1K a pair, fully prepped for high lift, used are around $600 for the pair in good running condition) and 4.8L iron short blocks are just about being given away down here.

That has developed the idea for a 327 L92.

I do not intend on winding it over 7K for prolonged periods, but would like the weight savings as I'm really hoping for some open-road/targa racing down the line and would very much enjoy the fuel savings and broad rpm range of a short stroke engine.

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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2010, 07:46:56 AM »
Nothing good comes easy dragon. Is this for a 2nd gen Blazer? I was just about to bite the bullet and buy a iron block 5.3, then I heard of a de-stroked 400 small block for sale for the right price. I bought that and now i found a really good deal on a 98 5.7 complete engine, harness, ect... All for $700. It's like when you have a girlfriend, and she's great, you like her... and all of the sudden, you start to get hit on by a bunch of hot chicks that just turned 21 and want to get drunk and screw.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2010, 07:56:53 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 05:23:23 PM »
Nothing good comes easy dragon. Is this for a 2nd gen Blazer? I was just about to bite the bullet and buy a iron block 5.3, then I heard of a de-stroked 400 small block for sale for the right price. I bought that and now i found a really good deal on a 98 5.7 complete engine, harness, ect... All for $700. It's like when you have a girlfriend, and she's great, you like her... and all of the sudden, you start to get hit on by a bunch of hot chicks that just turned 21 and want to get drunk and screw.

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2010, 11:43:12 PM »
Nothing good comes easy dragon. Is this for a 2nd gen Blazer? I was just about to bite the bullet and buy a iron block 5.3, then I heard of a de-stroked 400 small block for sale for the right price. I bought that and now i found a really good deal on a 98 5.7 complete engine, harness, ect... All for $700. It's like when you have a girlfriend, and she's great, you like her... and all of the sudden, you start to get hit on by a bunch of hot chicks that just turned 21 and want to get drunk and screw.

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 12:07:15 AM »
That's awesome, I wish we had a sign like that. We're situated right next to a major freeway and I work completely alone at night, so that could be VERY fun.

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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2010, 05:57:10 AM »
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