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Member Forums => Members S10\Blazer Projects => Topic started by: greencactus3 on September 25, 2009, 08:14:04 PM
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well, quick update..
275s on the 9in soft 8s fit with no rubbing except at full lock up front.
only rubs the inner fender too. as for if it will hit the fender lip under hard cornering or bumps ill get to know tomorrow at the track day.
figured out a solid camera mount in the cab so look forwards for some nice video.. (i hope)
so if i see anyone purchase tires any skinnier than 275s for front or rear, i will make fun of you...
its gonna be interesting with 275 front 245 rear tomorrow.
wish i had bought wider....
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I guess that means I have to buy at least 275/45/17 to go on my 17x8.5 c5 fronts huh?ok.
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What offset?
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That's good news! I figured if my 265's didn't rub at all then the 275's would be workable. Looking forward to the track vids ;D
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quick update.
ran the first session, was probably one of the fastest cars in the run group, kept passing everyone, but blew up the engine.
the v6 is most likely toast.
video coming once i figure out whats wrong with my media player.
275s up front worked amazing. got some wheel hop in the back with the 245s tho.
excellent turn in, and much better braking stability.
no rub at all as far as i know.
since it was just 1 run, i dont know how much better it would have gotten, but my tires were at 39 psi front (hot) and 43psi rear (hot)
cold before the run they were 36/60
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That's good news! I figured if my 265's didn't rub at all then the 275's would be workable. Looking forward to the track vids ;D
sadly only 1 track vid.... but photobucket nor facebook want to work for me...
I guess that means I have to buy at least 275/45/17 to go on my 17x8.5 c5 fronts huh?ok.
yes. minimum lol
What offset?
17 in. x 9 in. 5 in. Backspace,
plus a 3/8" spacer. so that means 5 3/8" backspace
also have the belltech drop spindles. not sure where that puts me against stock spindles, but even with the 3/8" spacer the tie rod is QUITE close to the wheel although i didnt see any rubbing on a quick check
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Hopefully it's not blown unless you wanted it to.
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Hopefully it's not blown unless you wanted it to.
im not sure. its a great excuse for a v8...
and i had already been planning to pull insurance off on monday anyways, so its not a major difference either way.
itll be sitting until next summer
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http://www.facebook.com/v/945282409333"
see if this works.... not sure why its so small... need help making it bigger to see
notes:
10:15, things start going wrong
10:30, loss in power
10:45, major loss in power
11:30, click/knocking begins
12:52, zero oil pressure
13:21, engine shut off with zero oil pressure
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Sounds like it overheated and blew the head gasket(s).
Was that Audi a safety car?...lol
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oil didnt seem murky or anything, but who knows.
gonna go rent a uhaul tomorrow and trailer it back.
the a4 was godawfully slow.
and he never looked at all the blue flags for him to let me pass either blah.
oh well.
it was still plenty of fun
btw, since I probably wont be able to drive the truck for quite a long time (budget/time) etc,
i think i should sell my nice tires before they dry rot from lack of use.
anyone want to buy my BFG G-force sports (not the all season ones. they are full summer tires)
245/45/17,275/40/17
i can provide pictures/measurements/etc once i get the truck back.
as for miles on them... umm... not too much
bought them last summer, got the on the truck for a couple months last summer, 1 track day and 1 autocross that summer, and then they got stored for winter, came back on for a bit this summer, but not as a daily driven car, took them off while the s10 sat for a while, then put them back on for this track day where they saw the 15 min session lol.
so little overall wear. let me know if anyone is interested, i just dont want them going to waste.
i can sell the soft8s too if you want but shipping them might cost as much as buying them new lol
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I like how you kept going even on reduced power. :D
I have some interest in the tires, but it won't be strong until the Spring and hopefully we'll both have v8s by then.
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you might, but there's really no chance for me to have a v8 by then, but just let me know when you want them.
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Will do and I'll let you know if I find any absolute steals on 4.3s around here.
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http://www.facebook.com/v/947123983803
took a quick video of it 'running'
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All I see is a white box.
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same here
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Wow.
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wait, so whats wrong, sounds fine. :o
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movie work for you guys now? its working fine for me
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yes
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That sounds terrible. Wow.
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Movie works,can't really say that for poor little 4.3 :'(
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hmmmm....
sounds like its time for a brick on the throttle. make sure to use a fast video camera so you can do slo motion film of the rod exiting the block.
i see that your planning on an ls motor. you stuck on that, or would a 4.3, old style small block, or other powertrain be an options?
cause a standard early small blockwill keeo your trans, and have readily availible parts. should be able to find one pretty cheap, too.
or, just for cool factor, go with a northstar motor. 300 horse outta the box, and just evil sounding at full song.
michael
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cause a standard early small block will keep your trans, and have readily available parts. should be able to find one pretty cheap, too.
Agreed. I'm running a Vortec 5.7l and it was a cheap and quick swap. Same trans too.
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cause a standard early small block will keep your trans, and have readily available parts. should be able to find one pretty cheap, too.
Agreed. I'm running a Vortec 5.7l and it was a cheap and quick swap. Same trans too.
i don't want to keep my trans. its a stupid 4l60e with 200k miles on it.
i need a manual. T56 anyone?
and no, im not set on an ls, but it will have to be a v8, sick of having not enough cylinders lol
as for the cool factor, with my limited knowledge on engines, id rather keep it as simple and as common as possible. especially if harley is doing a 5.3, he'll be a tremendous help
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i don't want to keep my trans. its a stupid 4l60e with 200k miles on it.
i need a manual. T56 anyone?
and no, im not set on an ls, but it will have to be a v8, sick of having not enough cylinders lol
as for the cool factor, with my limited knowledge on engines, id rather keep it as simple and as common as possible. especially if harley is doing a 5.3, he'll be a tremendous help
The only reason I suggested the same trans was for $ savings. I had my solenoids replaced and a full inspection as a precaution on my 4l60e. Shift points and firmness were moved up. It pulls hard all the way to 95mph. 5.3/5.7 will be your easiest swaps. Harley, correct me if I'm wrong, but you will need a custom adapter for the T56.
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i don't want to keep my trans. its a stupid 4l60e with 200k miles on it.
i need a manual. T56 anyone?
and no, im not set on an ls, but it will have to be a v8, sick of having not enough cylinders lol
as for the cool factor, with my limited knowledge on engines, id rather keep it as simple and as common as possible. especially if harley is doing a 5.3, he'll be a tremendous help
The only reason I suggested the same trans was for $ savings. I had my solenoids replaced and a full inspection as a precaution on my 4l60e. Shift points and firmness were moved up. It pulls hard all the way to 95mph. 5.3/5.7 will be your easiest swaps. Harley, correct me if I'm wrong, but you will need a custom adapter for the T56.
I'm near certain an LT1 style T56 bolts up to small blocks and vortecs, but requires you to run LT1 clutches and flywheels which are pricey and getting rare. An LSx style bell housing requires a spacer/adapter for the older motors, but lets you run LSx clutches which are more common and can be cheaper. If he's doing a Gen III or IV V8 (which is what he is talking about) the LSx style bell housing will bolt right up.
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compression check on the s10...
front
170__133
???__160
170__180
didnt feel like pulling the steering shaft outa the way so didnt bother with that one.
sooo... possibly replacing the bearings will let it run? if its just bottom end?
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see if this works.... not sure why its so small... need help making it bigger to see
Is that your best pick up line, or what..?
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the 133 sounds lke a mostly dead hole. may want to do an actual leakdown test and see if the valves are ok. if they are, which i doubt with those numbers, pull the pan and see how bad the crank and mains are scored. with the sound of it, theyll need polished. you may get lucky and only have to put bearings in it though.
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So... been thinking.
how much trouble would it be to make a carbed v8 setup work?
that means I can pull ALL the wiring out, and run the donor (truck?)'s harness right?
since the 4l60e wont like that id have to use the donor's trans (stick please) and shouldnt be too hard to adapt the clutch pedal assm in either...
all gauges can be the donor's as well...?
am i thinking this correctly?
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a carbd v-8 would e simple
use a 305-5 speed from a camaro, or a stick from a 4.3 s10, vette, etc. all are hydraulic clutches. should adapt easily to the s10 stuff.
as far as gauges and wiring, i think id do a full painless harness, aftermarket gauges, and be done.
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I have an adaptor plate to run an LS1 T56 behind a 4.3 or SBC... LT1 T56s will bolt right up, but not nearly the clutch selection with that setup.
My only thought on the carb is keeping the motor fueled under high braking loads. As long as ZZ4Blazer has had the Z06 brakes up front he has complained about the bowls going dry. May be an issue in the corners too. He can't wait to go to EFI or newer.
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I would love a t56 but been looking into costs and seems its just not quite worth buying over a t5 at this point.
I am worried about that too, but budget is tight and i just cant go v8 with a slushbox.
which ups the cost a lot more.
seems i can get a running 305/350 for about $350 and a T5 for another $350..
a clutch pedal assm i can salvage outta a junkyard for what, $100? , Harley, wanna post those PG cost lists again? I dont remember where they went
Friend is working on Megasquirt for his mustang now so maybe he can help out if i decide to go fuel injected.
I have an adaptor plate to run an LS1 T56 behind a 4.3 or SBC... LT1 T56s will bolt right up, but not nearly the clutch selection with that setup.
My only thought on the carb is keeping the motor fueled under high braking loads. As long as ZZ4Blazer has had the Z06 brakes up front he has complained about the bowls going dry. May be an issue in the corners too. He can't wait to go to EFI or newer.
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so after a long period of going back and forth, I just spent $160 deposit on a 5.3, gonna go pay $240 more and pick it up with Harley tomorrow. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:D
Seeing as this is at least the third V8 I've recovered with this truck I was asking myself a question this morning. "What came first the V8 or the V8 hauler"
OK OK I'm done.
I will put together the information I've gathered for my swap at some point today and start a new thread.
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so after a long period of going back and forth, I just spent $160 deposit on a 5.3, gonna go pay $240 more and pick it up with Harley tomorrow. ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://lagwar.com/home/wp-content/uploads/two-thumbs-up.jpeg)
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thanks to Harley, 2000 5.3 motor with supposedly around 100k miles is safe at Harley's house.
came with ecu, full harness (looks like) free radiator, fuel pump, all accessories.
now to do a whole bunch of researching on it.
if anyone has any spare 2.8 engine mounts, lmk.
i plan on making my own engine side mounts based off of the JTR manual drawings. already have 1/4" mild sheet, so should be just a matter of finding time to do it.
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arn't the ls swap motor mounts different than the sbc mounts?
(I have a set of sbc mounts sitting in a box under my bed)
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arn't the ls swap motor mounts different than the sbc mounts?
(I have a set of sbc mounts sitting in a box under my bed)
yes.
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Motor has been inside 3 trucks now. Sure you're still into her? :D
I bet you could make a pair of these (http://carshop.carshopinc.com/product_info.php/products_id/104232/CSP2375) pretty easy too. Use Delrin instead of poly maybe? That might be too rough though. They're an exact drop in for the 2.8 mounts.
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hmm.. i was not aware they had different mounting than sbcs... proves how much i have to learn about them...
Harley, those would be super easy to make.
i just need dimensions and i should be able to whip them out.
anyone know more details about what mounts i gotta make to fit a gen 3 motor?
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Google LS adapter brackets for a good shot of what you need made up. The Gen1 SBC used a triangular three bolt mount, the LS has a larger rectangular bolt pattern. You could just get SBC mounts and use an adapter plate, but some of the native LS mounts have a backset, or slots to allow a custom backset.
Personally, if using the stock 2.8 frame mounts with poly bushing, I would go with a set of engine side mounts like this one, from S10V8.com
(http://www.s10v8.com/store/images/P/LS1S10.jpg)
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quick question...
will old sbc t5 transmissions work on 5.3s easily?
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/pts/1701465873.html
seemingly good deal....
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Pretty easily. I know an LS1 tranny on a SBC require adapter and the LS1 clutch, and an LT1 trans requires a bellhousing and the LT1 clutch, so if memory serves, sbc t5 on an ls requires a bell housing an ls clutch.
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Google LS adapter brackets for a good shot of what you need made up. The Gen1 SBC used a triangular three bolt mount, the LS has a larger rectangular bolt pattern. You could just get SBC mounts and use an adapter plate, but some of the native LS mounts have a backset, or slots to allow a custom backset.
Personally, if using the stock 2.8 frame mounts with poly bushing, I would go with a set of engine side mounts like this one, from S10V8.com
(http://www.s10v8.com/store/images/P/LS1S10.jpg)
JTR has a package that includes headers and conversions mounts for $275 (steel headers) or ($375 ceramic)
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/S-10_Order.html#LS!MountsHeaders
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engine side mounts are basically identical, not a bad price either, though realistically, if you could fab the mounts yourself they might cost $40.
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Pretty easily. I know an LS1 tranny on a SBC require adapter and the LS1 clutch, and an LT1 trans requires a bellhousing and the LT1 clutch, so if memory serves, sbc t5 on an ls requires a bell housing an ls clutch.
so do you think this is a good price?
also, how long will a t5 last behind a stock 5.3?
jtr stuff is too expensive, although probably nice.
i will probably make or modify headers myself to save money, and would like to make my own engine mounts... just gotta figure out the shape/sizes
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I have the mounts if you need dimensions or want to take a look at them before making your own.
Couldn't tell you how long the T5 will last behind the 5.3, but not many were made out of the factory to take that power. They can be built to take enough from what I have read and I can tell you they are pretty easy to work on, but I've never tried any of the upgrades myself.
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I have a couple of pics with dimensions. Not sure how much help they will be but.
The last pic are the style I'm going to build once the time comes.
Also have a shit load of pics saved of crossmember notches and various other crap. Let me know if you need any.
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oh sweet guys, harley, ill borrow yours to steal dimensions off of eventually,
eric, definitely post up everything you have please!
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Anyone know how to upload a folder to the net to post? Maybe Make a PDF would work? It's all pics but for the most part they are named right.
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I believe you have to use a site like:
http://www.mediafire.com/
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I used to use a photosharing site that would upload full folders, but it's been over a year, let me see if I can find it.
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I believe you have to use a site like:
http://www.mediafire.com/
Remind me latter. Can't figure it out right now lol
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progress:
pulled the inner fender outta the pass side, along with most of hvac/blower box etc